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Lady Justice

…pick your brains some more.

I just read through all of the comments you made on this week’s News Day Tuesday post, about the “eye for an eye” punishment handed down to Majid for blinding Ameneh with acid.  I wanted to thank all of you for voicing your thoughts and opinions, which ranged from total agreement with the court’s decision to total disagreement, and many views in-between.  I know it’s a touchy subject, and it’s not easy to throw your hat into the ring for fear of being viewed as being too different from others.  So thank you again.

Anyway, I noticed that a lot of the same themes kept coming up in your responses – words like justice, revenge, evil, deserve, suffer, punishment, pain, violence, humanity – and I wanted to see if we could explore that a little more.  It is the weekend after all, so why not, right?

The first thing I wanted to ask all of you about is this concept of evil and its relationship to us as people.  Some say that people are naturally savage and brutal, and if there wasn’t a system of rules in place, that we’d be stepping all over each other looking out for ourselves.  Others say that people are innately good, and that it’s everything else that ends up corrupting our natural goodness.  Still others say that we are blank slates, and our behavior is shaped by how we grow up.  And then there are people who say that we come into this world with both good and evil natures and it’s up to us to nurture one side or the other.  This is pretty much what John Lennon said in the video Kristin posted, about how each of us is both Christ and Hitler inside.

Here is my question.  Regardless of which perspective you choose, it doesn’t seem that individuals just up and CREATE evil out of nowhere.  Whatever it is that you believe evil to be, people are either born that way – whether entirely or in part – or molded to become that way, through their environment and experiences, or some mixture of both internal and external influences.  If this is true, then where do you determine the root cause of the evil to lie?  Let’s take Majid for example.  It’s easy and convenient to place all blame on Majid the man because a man is a discrete being, an individual, someone you can point to and say, “Here’s the guy to blame.”  But a person isn’t just made of a bunch of cells.  What about his upbringing?  His experiences?  Injuries that he may have suffered himself?  It is true…no one forced Majid on penalty of death to inflict the terrible pain that he did upon Ameneh.  But neither did he grow up in isolation, cut off from all human contact.  There is also the fact that Majid IS made of cells, with a brain and a particular body chemistry.  What if his biological make-up predisposes him to make rash decisions, but he either wasn’t aware of his condition or didn’t have the support he needed to properly deal with it?  Where do you place the blame then?

There is also another thing I wanted to bring up about evil.  Someone once said that no one commits evil for the sake of committing evil.  That the people who do wrong generally believe they are doing RIGHT and ultimately good, in one way or another.  You could make this argument even for someone like Hitler, who really did believe he was saving Germany in some sense.  The point being that what comes across as absolutely horrific to one group, doesn’t to another.  How, then, do you come to some sort of consensus, and how do you determine whose formulation of what is good and what is bad prevails?

And another thing that someone once said – that there is no such thing as bad people, only bad actions.  Agree or disagree?

I actually have a lot more questions to ask you – about violence and justice, but this post is already too long.  So I’ll save them for next time.

Here’s to a good discussion!

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kristina

March 20, 2009

On the subject of the root cause of evil, I believe that there is good and bad in all of us. It really is a matter of which side we are willing to let out, the “angel” side or the “devil” side.

Regardless, people aren’t born evil–they act the way they do based on what they observe in their everyday environment. Their upbringing. How they were raised, taught, and treated during the childhood years have a lot to do with it. For example, if you were raised with strong morals and a sense of right and wrong, your good is more likely to overshadow your bad.


Andrea

March 20, 2009

I think that we are all born with the POTENTIAL to be good or evil, not necessarily with either one inside of us. Our environment during our upbringing has effects on us that form our decisions to fulfill which ever potential. However, two people can grow up in the same environment and turn out different. Example: Two kids both grow up with drug addicts as parents and abusive families. One kid uses this to her advantage and decides to help people ESCAPE situations like hers. The other girl does the same thing to other people, what was done to her. There are so many different ways of looking at it. Good topic though :]


Christina

March 22, 2009

I don’t think that people are born evil, because we are all God’s children, and made from His image so I refuse to believe that. I also don’t think that people can blame their actions on their circumstances. I said this in the thread about Ameneh, but I graduated with a Bachelor of Arts and Master of Science degree in criminal justice. I’m actually looking for work at the moment, and waiting to hear back from the FBI and various agencies. So throughout my studies I’ve been exposed to people with (1) proper upbringings, and (2) poor or borderline abusive upbringings.

I know of well educated people with opportunity and promise, who have committed crime (i.e. Enron CEO’s). I also know those who’ve grown up getting “kicked around,” with little or no regard to their potential, who’ve become well brought up individuals. I believe it depends entirely on the person, not to be confused though with them being born evil. I mean that they…at one point chose to act wrongfully. Either for greed or because they thought they had a right to whatever they wanted, and then never turned back from that. I think that each of us can be either good or evil, and that there’s a subliminal potentiality.

I also don’t think that all people who commit crime and do evil do so because they believe they are right. That would more likely apply to people like Hitler or the Khmer Rouge. Because their drive for power and delusions of grandeur made them believe they could do what they in fact did. Most of the time people commit crime and do wrong because they were presented with that opportunity, and based on whatever personal things happened at that moment made them choose to do so.

As for the phrase that there are only bad actions and not bad people. Actions are extensions of life and of human existence, and without people the very notion of action wouldn’t exist or be possible. Some might even say that an act is bad merely by one’s intention, rather than the act itself being bad. Just something to think on I guess. I could go on and on about this, since it’s the basis of my education and future. But I think I’ll stop now, haha.


G

March 26, 2009

Hmm…I’ve been pondering these questions for days now trying to think of something to say, but it’s so touchy. I’m just going to keep it brief….

I think that we’re all, for the most part born neutral. We’re neither bad, nor good when we come into this world, because very few people are full on good, or full on bad when they age. I also believe that how we turn out has a lot do with both nature and nurture. Our experiences and how we handle them shape us into what we become. I’m not gonna touch the evil actions/people one lol. I’d get into a philosophical and religious rant and well, we just don’t have time for that :P